Linedata is a global solutions provider, dedicated to the investment management and credit community. Its Product Director, Francois Pradel, and Commercial Director, Franck Thomas, explain how the asset management industry has changed in recent years, how it has adapted its services to address the latest challenges, and the future for the company.
Year: 2013
Stephen Wandera on insurance post-Westgate Kenya | Britam | Video
Kenya’s economy appears to be on the cusp of remarkable growth, yet its insurance is still just a fledgling industry. Stephen Wandera, Regional Director with the British-American Insurance Company, talks about what is needed to boost the industry to a level where it can compete with other rapidly growing sectors, and how he expects demand for insurance against terrorism policies to increase, following the Westgate seige.
Nazym Tulchinsky on Kazakhstan Insurance | Eurasia Insurance | Video
For the last 10 years, Eurasia Insurance has hosted an international risk management conference. Nazym Tulchinsky, Deputy Chairman of Eurasia Insurance, explains how Eurasia’s good risk management has helped the company through the turmoil of the financial crisis, and describes the current trends and future prospects for insurance and reinsurance in Kazakhstan.
World Finance: How has your risk management helped you through the turmoil of the financial crisis?
Nazym Tulchinsky: The conference has brought together leading economists, politicians and businessmen, from over 40 countries to develop solutions for the significant challenges to the global business community.
Our exceptional risk management programme has contributed to the development of Eurasia’s profitability and capital levels to date. Eurasia was able to foresee the consequences of the financial turmoil, and fortunately its project management was able to secure its investments while at the same time increasing its returns. And the process with which we accept risks, allows us to master the global financial crisis, and the rush of catastrophe events well. We’re confident that we are able to cope with any predictable losses, because we have the trust of our underwriters. If the insured sustains a loss, Eurasia is always prepared to foot the bill. It’s as simple as that.
“Our main clients include Egypt Shell, ArcelorMittal, and reinsurance for HSBC”
World Finance: Who are your clients in Kazakhstan, and how do you invest?
Nazym Tulchinsky: We have a unique market position. Being the largest insurance company in Kazakhstan, Eurasia supports other insurance providers by selling them our reinsurance capacity.
As for direct insurance, our main clients include oil and mining companies, such as Egypt Shell, ArcelorMittal and HSBC. Of course, we’re doing some reinsurance for major Kazakh banks: HSBC, for example. We prefer to write classical risks.
As for the investment issue, Eurasia invests in its clients with a first-class service.
World Finance: A third of your business is from international reinsurance. How important is this?
Nazym Tulchinsky: The change in Eurasia’s international business strategy came about in 2006, when Eurasia was the only company in Kazakhstan which received a rating from AM Best Rating Agency of B++. Since first writing inwards reinsurance business in 2004, from mainly Russia and member countries of the CIS, Eurasia now provides its reinsurance support on the risk allocated over the 130 countries worldwide. Eurasia is becoming a truly diversified global reinsurer.
However, in balancing Eurasia’s worldwide portfolio, we still remain cautious about the risks. Our goal is to build a profitable portfolio. Eurasia recognises that a company does not grow because it is writing big volumes of sub-standard business. Profitability for Eurasia comes before income. Eurasia strives to continue operating with economic autonomy. This means that Eurasia is able to finance its further growth, solely with this self-generated profits. And it is dedicated to avoiding any financial imbalances which might lead to contributions from shareholders.
“In balancing Eurasia’s worldwide portfolio, we still remain cautious about the risks”
World Finance: What are the trends and challenges that you’re currently facing within this sector?
Nazym Tulchinsky: Eurasia’s building its inwards reinsurance portfolio based on a strong relationship with major brokers. Through the practice of not running away from risk, if and when it proves to be unprofitable. We will sit down with the brokers and tell them to offer underwriting guidance. Eurasia’s always aware of the fact that a few local and overseas sinners are acting as a distributor of poorly priced business. It is ready to price this market properly, by either declining their insurance, or by proposing more realistic terms for the risk involved.
It’s imperative that Eurasia’s underwriters are able to add value through leadership, and so help to create a meaningful product. We are well aware of the new capital flowing into the reinsurance market, and the effects of overcapacity. This increased capacity will drop when the first major natural catastrophes occur. This has been borne out in previous reinsurance cycles.
World Finance: And back to Kazakhstan. What are the current trends you’re seeing in the market?
Nazym Tulchinsky: The non-life insurance segment in Kazakhstan achieved growth of around 20 percent in comparison with 2012. This was attributed to the growth of the Kazakh economy, the existence of various compulsory insurances, and of course increased volumes of bank lending.
The life segment is growing well too. However, I can say that this is organic growth, because its main driver is compulsory employers’ liability.
Having said that, in general, the insurance market is steadily growing in Kazakhstan, although I have to admit that insurance penetration is still low. In 2012 it was below one percent, so there is a potential of an untapped market for Kazakh insurance.
“In 21 years we changed from a soviet republic to a market economy ranked as one of the 10 fastest-growing in the world”
World Finance: And finally, what is the future for Kazakhstan on the world stage?
Nazym Tulchinsky: Kazakhstan’s strategic aspiration is to become a model diversified economy, with a high valued-added and a high-tech component, well integrated into the global economy.
In 21 years, we have moved from a soviet republic, with no private sector, to a sovereign state with a market economy ranked as one of the 10 fastest-growing in the world. Our country’s geographical and geopolitical positions have played a vital role in promoting the country’s development.
Located in the centre of Eurasia, Kazakhstan is at the crossroads of the world’s most ancient civilisations and trade routes. the development of Kazakhstan’s economy is closely connected with integration into international relationships. It has unique reserves of energy and mineral resources, the vast possibilities of exporting industrial and agricultural products, optimum employment of the country’s transit potential, and the viability of highly qualified specialists. Kazakhstan is important to the alternative energy markets because it has significant oil and natural gas reserves. With sufficient expert options, Kazakhstan could become one of the world’s largest oil producers and exporters, within the next decade.
World Finance: Nazym, thank you very much.
Nazym Tulchinsky: Thank you very much.
Ignacio Aguirre and Carlos Berriochoa on the Antofagasta Hospital | Sacyr Concesiones | Video
Sacyr Concesiones is a world leader in construction and infrastructure. As the company embarks on its Hospital de Antofagasta project, Ignacio Aguirre and Carlos Berriochoa, respectively Senior Project Manager and Investment Director from Sacyr Concesiones, discuss Sacyr’s strategy for selecting projects, the reasons behind the increasing use of PPPs in Latin America, and the unique challenges and solutions to building a hospital in Chile’s seismically active Antofagasta region.
World Finance: Carlos, what is the focus and strategy for this business area?
Carlos Berriochoa: Firstly, location. We exclusively target investment-grade countries, where the rules of the game are clear and stable. Secondly, project type. We focus on the kind of projects we know best, and where we have the most rated experience. Roads, railways, subways and hospitals. Any project we consider must have a strong construction component.
Thirdly, partnerships. We strive to identify and incorporate the right financial and local partners from the beginning. And finally, we define from the beginning a turnaround strategy, to ensure that our partners, the client, and ourselves, are all reading from the same page.
“This project involves an investment of €300m, and will benefit a population of 260,000 people”
World Finance: Ignacio, you’re now working on the Antofagasta project. Tell me how this project is unique?
Ignacio Aguirre: This project involves an investment of €300m, and will benefit a population of 260,000 people, within the region of Antofagasta. This region is characterised by being an area of high seismic activity. This project will be the largest hospital in Chile, built with the highest technical standards, and incorporating the most advanced architectural, structural, and functional solutions, designed to resist the effects of the seismic activity in the region.
It will be a hospital with 100 percent isolated structure, with about 400 seismic isolators. And the scope of the project also makes it unique. This is the first hospital concession in Chile to also include the purchase, maintenance, and replacement of the medical and non-medical equipment.
World Finance: You mentioned that this area is prone to natural disasters; how did you approach this?
Ignacio Aguirre: The first step was to assign highly qualified professionals in all areas: construction, concessional, and operator. In order to ensure the correct development and execution of the project.
With regards to the design, we put together a team with the best architects and engineers, with more than 20 years experience designing and building hospitals.
We have also incorporated several Chilean consultants with significant experience in the design of buildings, in areas of high seismic activity. And the 100 percent isolated structure is an extremely effective solution in reducing vibrations and damage to the building, equipment, and installations, in the event of an earthquake. The structure designed for this project will be the largest of its kind in Chile.
“This is the first hospital concession in Chile to include purchase, maintenance, and replacement of all equipment”
World Finance: Are these types of development becoming more in demand?
Ignacio Aguirre: The hospital concessions has provide citizens with earlier access to healthcare facilities, mainly for two reasons.
Firstly, because public budget constraints usually prevent governments from awarding direct construction contracts. And secondly, instead of tendering and negotiating several contracts for the design, construction, and operation, the concession model allows them to complete the whole process in just one step. The pressing need to increase efficiency in the public sector is one of the reasons why many governments around the world are adopting this concession model, and Chile is just one of them.
When the same company – in this case, the concessioner – is responsible for the whole project, the design, the construction, the operation of the building, for a term of 15 or 20 years, objectives get aligned, in order to achieve the best result at each stage.
World Finance: Carlos, you have vast experience within this industry. What is the key to this success?
Carlos Berriochoa: The vertical integration within the group companies of the constructor, the concessionaire and the operator, which significantly reduces the friction and the distress among the team members. These allow us to create more competitive commercial offers. But all of this while maintaining strict accountability of the results of each of the business lines. No cross-subsidies, and all relationships regulated through arms-length contracts.
And finally, a proven track record in the health sector, that enables us to understand and meet the needs of patients, medical staff, and health administrators.
“Since the beginning of the financial crisis, Sacyr has been awarded six concessions in Chile alone”
World Finance: How has the financial crisis impacted on construction and the industry?
Carlos Berriochoa: The financial crisis has dramatically reduced the number of projects financed through the exchequer. PPP projects have been affected to a lesser extent, but there has been an impact on the way of doing business. For instance, it has accelerated the need for international diversification, it has reduced the amount of available capital, leading to more complex partnering strategies. It has also complicated the financing of the project, requiring now more skills and efforts in this area. It has also changed the way risk is perceived, leading to a more careful approach to these projects, and also a reduced number of viable projects.
And finally, it has forced many concessioners to revise their asset rotation strategy, leading in many cases to their decision to devest. Sacyr Concesiones has adapted well to this new environment, and proof of that is the fact that, since the beginning of the financial crisis, we have been awarded with six concessions in Chile alone.
World Finance: And finally, what projects do you have in the pipeline?
Carlos Berriochoa: We are pursuing projects in countries like Chile, Mexico, Colombia, Peru. Countries where the pipeline of projects to be tendered are all fitting with our strategy. We are also active in Brazil, where we used to have some concessions. And the US. But in these countries, we have taken a more selective approach.
We are also active in some European countries, such as Ireland, where the market seems to be recovering. Also Italy, and more recently, Russia.
World Finance: Carlos, Ignacio, thank you.
Ignacio Aguirre, Carlos Berriochoa: Thank you.
Natdhanai Mankosol on Thailand insurance | Viriyah Insurance | Video
As of mid-2013, it has become clear that Thailand’s floods of 2011 had a profound impact on the country’s non-life insurance segment. Natdhanai Mankosol, Assistant Department Manager, Marketing Department from Viriyah Insurance, talks about how motor insurance is growing off the back of the Thai government’s First Car Buyer scheme, as well as how Viriyah expanded its product range to better serve those affected by the 2011 floods.
World Finance: Thailand’s insurance market has been undergoing a transition. Tell us more.
Natdhanai Mankosol: The insurance market in the last year was growing tremendously, because of our two segments in motor insurance and non-motor insurance. In motor insurance, the industry is being affected by the government’s First Car Buyer project. The First Car Buyer project is the project the government is trying to stimulate the market, by boosting our sales in the car industry. And the motor insurance industry is growing along with the growth of the car sales.
The other reason is, after the flood, a lot of people realised how important insurance is in helping with their losses. So they’re looking for more insurance, because they realised the risks they face, and their insurance needs. So we could tailor our products to fit the customer needs in different areas in Thailand.
“After the flood, a lot of people realised how important insurance is”
World Finance: So tell me more about what happened after the floods. How were you able to meet your customers’ needs?
Natdhanai Mankosol: The flood in 2011 was one of the biggest losses we have in our history. We didn’t expect that to happen, but a lot of people lost their lives and properties. And now a lot of people in Thailand realise how important insurance could benefit their lives.
And so we developed some products to serve their needs, because our business is concentrated in motor insurance. So, the comprehensive insurance which we sell, it covers almost everything, including the flood itself. But not so for our non-comprehensive insurance. So we launched our products, called the Two Plus Extra and Three Plus Extra. Two Plus Extra is the fire and theft insurance, and the Three Plus is the third party insurance, and the Extra means we added more coverage for the flood.
World Finance: You have recently experienced tremendous growth, tell us about the numbers.
Natdhanai Mankosol: In the last year we grew over 28 percent. Which is above the market industry standard. I’d say the most successful story about our company last year is our people. We’re trying to improve our processes and recruit more people that have special training throughout our people. And fortunately, our turnover rate for our employees is not high at all. A lot of people stay with us, and are happy to be with us, and when our people are happy, they serve our customers happiness.
The renewal rate from our brokers and agents is over 80 percent, and we’ve been revising our training, and we’re trying to recruit some new technologies to use in our processes. The GPS is used with our claim surveyors, to use the smartphone to go to an accident site. And our claim surveyors will check in all through the process so we can collect all the information, and use it to improve our service level.
“We’re looking for more business partners in our neighbouring countries, to serve our customer needs”
World Finance: And finally, are there any plans for expansion?
Natdhanai Mankosol: The expansion is in the near future. Currently we have over 100 branch locations, which is a lot more than other insurance companies in Thailand. But it doesn’t cover every area in Thailand. We’re trying to expand more branch locations, and we will recruit more insurance agents and brokers to get in touch with our customers everywhere in Thailand.
Since the Asian economy communities are coming in the next few years, we will be seeing a lot of different kinds of people, and different kinds of businesses, coming over and through the regions. So, we’re trying to look for more business partners in our neighbouring countries, to work together and to serve our customer needs.
World Finance: Natdhanai, thank you.
Natdhanai Mankosol: Thank you.
Eduardo Vildosola on Chile’s pensions | AFP Capital | Video
In 1980, Chile reformed its pension provision from a public, pay-as-you-go system, to a private, individual capitalisation one. It was one of the biggest privatisation experiments of the time, and today the system is still far from perfect. Eduardo Vildosola, CEO of AFP Capital, discusses the purpose behind the original reforms, the challenges that are left, and how AFP Capital is working within that framework to support millions of Chileans.
World Finance: What is the foundation of Chile’s pension system today, and how has it changed?
Eduardo Vildósola: Basically, the current system is based on individual accounts. That means that every worker, every month, puts their money in their account, for their whole working life, which is roughly 40 years. And then they receive what they have been saving for, for that time. That is compared with the pay as you go system, where you were basically saving for passive workers in a common fund, and there was not a direct relationship between what they were saving, and what they were receiving at the end of their work life.
Besides that, the current system is based on these individual accounts, which is the mandatory saving. Adults also have the voluntary saving pillar, which is related to individual voluntary savings and collective voluntary savings. And also we have solitary pillar, which is for people that cannot save so much, or for so many years, and that is partially financed by the state. These are the three pillars.
World Finance: But the system is still not meeting the expectations of Chileans: why not, and what are these expectations?
Eduardo Vildósola: I would say that there’s not a complete answer to the question, because the system is still not mature at all. We have been saving for 30 years, and we need 40 years to analyse that. But the women who are living more than we are expecting and are contributing less than they were expecting, because sometimes they are not in the labour force, but at home. They have been facing lower replacement rates of 50 percent. So there’s a problem there, that we have to address.
In the case of men, the replacement rate has been 70 percent, which is basically what they have been expecting. Furthermore, seeing as the size of Chile has increased a lot, when you calculate the replacement rate with the last size, of course you have a very important impact on that. The system was created thinking on a replacement rate calculated on the average of the last 10 years size. So, when the size grows up, you have a big gap there. Probably that is part of the answer of the expectations that haven’t been fulfilled.
World Finance: So how can these problems be resolved?
Eduardo Vildósola: There are three or four basic ideas on that. The first, of course, is to increase the contribution rate. In Chile now, we have a contribution rate of 10 percent, which is very low compared with the OECD countries. That is, I would say, the first idea.
Probably the second one is, trying to foster voluntary savings, both individual savings and collective savings for the middle income range. Third, of course, we are living more, so we have to address that. It means that probably we have to review the age of retirement. And the fourth idea should be to see how employers contribute to their workers every month. We have to use the loopholes, the pension loopholes that we’re facing today, which are playing a much more important part of the lower replacement rates that we are seeing today.
World Finance: Might it be possible to delay some of these changes in order to address other problems, like loopholes in the system?
Eduardo Vildósola: I think that we should address both of them. Of course, pension loopholes is something very important to do, but it’s something that is a little bit outside of the pension fund managers. It has to do with the labour market, with the supervision of companies that are not contributing to the system. But the other changes are quite urgent. Because at the end of the day, people are living more, and women have retired so early, and because of the loopholes, we have to increase the contribution rate. You have to take account that in the old system, the contribution rate was almost twice the current contribution rate. It was 20 percent. So, 10 percent? Definitely it is not enough to get enough money for building the pensions that Chilean people are expecting.
World Finance: So how is AFP Capital performing within this context?
Eduardo Vildósola: I think that AFP Capital has done a very innovative approach to the pension business, because I would say, most of our competitors have been very focused on the characteristics of the product, but we have been focused on the necessity of building the pension at the end of the day. So we create the so called ‘Get your number’ campaign, which is basically a campaign where we try our hardest to be conscious, to be aware of the necessity of beginning to save, as soon as possible. Because of the impact of that savings in the pension. So ‘Get your number’, you say ‘Oh my god, what a big number to save.’ But that is very necessary.
Remember that this is a mandatory savings scheme, so most of the time people feel very far away of this necessity. At the end of the day, saving competes with consuming, and consuming is more appealing. So we have realised that we have to make our clients to be aware of that, through the ‘Get your number’ campaign, and today we have more than 400,000 clients that have already calculated their number, and are beginning to do a savings plan in order to finally get their pension. So, that is the way we have been competing, it is a very unique approach, and we are happy that our clients are more aware of what they have to do, to, at the end of the day, fulfil their dreams. Which is to get enough money at the pension moment, so they can do whatever they want at that time.
World Finance: Eduardo, thank you.
Eduardo Vildósola: You’re welcome.
Sanjiv Kumar on managed futures | Fort LP | Video
Fort LP, the US-based investment management firm, will be celebrating its 20th anniversary this month. Over these two decades it has achieved 16 percent returns each year for its investors. Fort’s Principal, Sanjiv Kumar, talks about the key to Fort’s success, the difficulties that the managed futures industry has faced in recent years, and how its new global macro fund provides one solution to the managed futures market’s negative-yielding cash.
World Finance: So, 16 percent return per annum: tell us how this has been achieved.
Sanjiv Kumar: Well, we have maintained our focus and our discipline, and that’s been the main key to our success. Our edge comes from taking advantage of persistent inefficiencies in the market, that arise due to weakness in human behaviour when it comes to investment decision-making. And we spend a lot of effort trying to identify that edge. Then we can work that edge into a systematic computerised rule.
We also try to make sure that this rule can adapt over time. Because things change, and so we built in machine-learning into our rules.
In all our strategies we try to produce returns which are uncorrelated to returns on the stock market.
And finally, we’ve always believed that our managers should be transparent and open, and provide as frequent liquidity as possible to its investors. So, we provide a daily liquidity to our investors now, and for the last two years. And I think many of our investors appreciate that.
“One of the big concerns now for the industry is that the cash returns have gone to close to zero”
World Finance: How has the managed futures market fared over the last five years?
Sanjiv Kumar: I think the last five years have been a very difficult period for the managed futures industry, which had a banner year in 2008. A lot of extra money came into the industry, but since then they haven’t done well. We, on the other hand, have had a good previous five years.
Many people say that this extra money that is coming into the industry has been the cause of the poor performance, and I feel that may be contributing to some of it, but a recent study by a broker New Edge shows that this increased liquidity in managed futures, the futures markets have also grown, and can accommodate the extra money.
Some other people have said that there have not been many trends in the market in the last five years, and that’s probably not true as well, because we had a period where the stock market has almost doubled. Other people say that there has been too much volatility, which is related to interventions by the central bank.
In the past such interventions have actually been very profitable, as was the case with the events related to the break-up of the pound from the European Union.
World Finance: So what needs to be done for the industry to regain profitability?
Sanjiv Kumar: Controlling risk has become more important than generating returns. And I think the industry needs to return back to its roots.
One of the big concerns now for the industry is that the cash returns have gone to close to zero. And the inflation rate – for instance in the US is close to 1.5, 2 percent. So that produces a real negative yield. We in the industry really need to do something about it, of using this cash better, not just investing in treasury bills, we need to find a way to invest it in other instruments, but at the same time we cannot lose sight of our two major attributes, which are that we provide a very liquid portfolio to investors, and we provide returns that are uncorrelated to the stock market.
“We have developed a very novel, unique approach, that uses the cash that has been sitting in our futures accounts earning negative real yields”
World Finance: Now Fort is launching a global macro fund in the coming months, tell us about this.
Sanjiv Kumar: So, we have developed a very novel, unique approach, on value investing, which is systematic. We purchase US and Canadian equities, and hedge out exposure by selling futures against it. And we hold it passively, for a year. And this produces very different kind of returns. So this equity strategy is really going to be able to use the cash that has been sitting in our futures accounts earning negative real yields. It not only solves the problem which is facing the managed futures industry, of having a lot of cash earning negative yields, but it also provides diversification in terms of strategies. And it will, I think, in the long run, reduce the volatility of our returns, while providing similar returns as we have generated in the past.
World Finance: You also have a number of regulation changes to deal with, namely AIFMD in Europe, and Dodd-Frank in the US, so what’s your approach here?
Sanjiv Kumar: In recent years we have improved our backup and disaster recovery processes. We have worked with our legal counsel to improve our documents, so that they’re compliant with these regulations. We are registering with the SEC. In Europe we are launching a UCITS fund, which will make us compliant with AIFMD throughout Europe. And we continue to feel that these steps are necessary, and as the industry grows and matures, so that it can appeal to a wider base of investors – not just high net worth investors.
“We are launching a UCITS fund, which will make us compliant with AIFMD throughout Europe”
World Finance: And finally, the FED recently decided not to taper, so what’s your outlook for the near-term?
Sanjiv Kumar: We will probably continue to see a benign environment for interest rates, as well as for the stock market. The growth is not so weak that the market should get really worried, and interest rates are probably at the higher end of their recent range. So, it’s quite possible interest rates will decline in the coming months.
That’s going to provide a very good opportunity for a lot of the managed futures industry to do well, and we are certainly looking forward to it.
World Finance: Sanjiv, thank you.
Sanjiv Kumar: Thank you Nick for having me.
Abel Lin and Joseph Wang on insurance in Taiwan | Cathay Life Insurance | Video
Cathay Life has the largest market share of any life insurer in Taiwan. It marked its 50th anniversary in 2012, but has never stopped looking forward. It’s shaping a new organisational culture, in order to maintain long-term, steady growth. Abel Lin and Joseph Wang, Executive Vice Presidents at Cathay Life, discuss the challenges and opportunities facing the company, in the context of the long-term low interest rate environment in Taiwan.
Mr Lin, if we can start with you: let’s look ahead to Cathay Life’s future, what are the challenges and opportunities facing the company?
Abel Lin: For our company culture, we always think risk first, and then reward. I think the first challenge is, how can we resolve the so-called, negative spread issue? As you know, our company has already worked for 50 years in Taiwan, and in the older time when the interest rate is high, we provide a high guarantee on life insurance products. So, actually right now our funding cost is still high as 4.1 percent, and our return general in average is around 3.8 percent to 4.1 percent, so, we still have the negative spread issue.
But, we think within five years we can totally resolve the issue by, we will continue to reduce our cash position to overseas investment, especially the overseas bond market to enhance our yeald. And secondly, we will provide more traditional life insurance company, especially regular paid products, to enhance our mortality and loading gain.And third one, we will continue to increase our risk management ability.
The second challenge is that, how can we satisfy our customer needs to avoid price competition? We want to avoid the price war, we don’t want to join the price competition, so, how can we do that? Is that we need to continue to satisfy our customer needs, so this is a big trend, so we use a large IT system to provide more convenient service to our customers.
And third challenge is, how can we expand our business overseas? As you know, in Taiwan right now, life insurance penetration is over 200 percent. It means that we are a mature market in the world. So, the only way we want to maintain the substantial growth is overseas. So right now we have already a joint venture, 50:50 in China, and fully subsidiary in Vietnam.
Then I want to highlight two opportunities. The first one is that Taiwan right now is facing the so-called ageing society. So, in this ageing society actually provide a great opportunity for pension plan, for health insurance, and also for long-term care products. So, we are facing a big problem in this ageing society.
But, for life insurance company, actually, it’s a good opportunity for we can expend our product to our customer if we can make a right product to our customer. So it’s a potential opportunity.
The second one as I mentioned is a big challenge, is that how can we expend our business overseas? Except China and Vietnam, we think globally in the next 10 years, the capital flow I think will flow to the Asian countries, especially Asian countries. And it has a lot of market potential, because right now the penetration actually is below one percent. So, we can provide our management excellent expertise to these countries, then we can gain more growth potential, growth opportunities, in Asian countries.
World Finance: If I can turn to you Mr Wang, this is an era of low interest rates, so, what’s the impact on Taiwan’s life insurance companies?
Joseph Wang: I think Taiwan’s insurance companies have been suffering from the low interest rate environment for quite a long time. Especially, even before the financial crisis in 2008, Taiwan’s interest rates were extremely low for a long time, so, as Abel said earlier, we have been in a negative interest rate spread situation. So, I think this is because we have very high saving rate, and also legup by investment opportunities. So, how do we respond to this kind of situation?
First, we diversify our investment portfolio to overseas investment. Because we can get higher yields from overseas investment. And also I think, in terms of market size and in terms of liquidity, overseas market can also satisfy our need. Because in local market, for Cathay Life, our asset size has exceeded $110bn. It’s a very big size. So, we have to diversify our investment overseas.
And secondly, we also set up an alternative investment team in 2007, and all so that we can invest in PE or hedge funds, and that can also help us enhance our yield.
And thirdly, we also added a lot of our equity position in high income, high divided equities, and especially we like the companies, they can generate free cash flow, and also pay out to shareholders.
World Finance: So finally, how do you see the relationship between interest rates and product offerings develop in the future?
Abel Lin: I think, because, as Joseph said, we are suffering a quite long-term low interest environment, so, during this low interest environment in Taiwan, actually, our product half is shift to like the interest credit annuity. And the other is growth momentum is quite strong is the unit-linked product in Taiwan. The third one I think, I want to highlight is that, as I mentioned, a big opportunity is we face in the ageing society. So, for health insurance products, actually, is to satisfy our customer need.
Also for health insurance product, actually the interest rate component is not so sensitive to their price. We will more focused on the health insurance product in the future for the rising interest rate environment.
World Finance: Abel Lin, Joseph Wang, thank you very much indeed.
Abel Lin, Joseph Wang: Thank you.
Views from FELABAN 2013 – David Schwartz | Video
A quick overnight from the 47th annual assembly of FELABAN, the Federation of Latin American Bankers. David Schwartz fills us in on FIBA’s latest works. Follow us on Twitter for more exclusive video coverage – tomorrow we’ll have interviews from KPMG, Scotiabank, BNY Mellon, as well as coverage of Sunday’s session, “The Women’s Market: Are you overlooking the world’s largest emerging economy?”
Chee Keng Koon on Singapore insurance | QBE Insurance | Video
Over the next seven years, the health insurance market in Singapore is set to quadruple, due to higher levels of disposable income. One of the key players in the region is QBE Insurance Group, and its Singapore CEO, Chee Keng Koon, talks to us about the recent changes in the Singapore insurance sector, the challenges that insurers are facing, and QBE’s plans for expansion in the rest of Asia.
World Finance: Mr Chee, how has the insurance market developed over the last few years?
Chee Keng Koon: Well, Singapore is actually a very interesting market for insurance. As you know Singapore is a financial hub, and we are also the insurance hub in Asia. And if we look back at the statistics in Singapore in terms of revenues, in 2004 the revenues in Singapore were only about SGD 2.2bn written premium size for general, in terms of onshore and offshore.
In the last year, the figures came out to be about SGD 10.4bn, which SGD 3.4bn is onshore, basic domestic business, and the balance is offshore business. So, actually the growth is fantastic. Over the last eight years the growth is about 15 percent on an annual basis.
So, we have a plan in place to ensure that we will not miss out on these opportunities, in terms of the growth in Singapore.
“Over the last eight years the growth is about 15 percent on an annual basis”
World Finance: What opportunities are there for QBE in the Singapore insurance market?
Chee Keng Koon: Looking at the Singapore market, Singapore is going through what we call this ‘infrastructure renewal process,’ which therefore gives rise to opportunities for us. The Singapore government is looking at health insurance. As you know, Asians are becoming more affluent, and as a result people are more focused on health now. Health is a big market, and people in Asia are actually running to Singapore for treatment, and therefore it gives rise to opportunity in internal health, and in terms of commercial and marine.
As you know, Singapore is one of the marine hubs in Asia, so we are the leading players in marine insurance over the last 12 years, and we have been the leaders in this aspect, not just in Singapore, but also in Asia. And our growth is basically focused on these specialty lines: basically it’s marine in Asia, liabilities and casualties, and particularly on professional indemnity, where we are big players for insuring doctors, lawyers, architects, which has great demand going forward.
World Finance: Are there any specific challenges you face in Singapore?
Chee Keng Koon: The challenges as far as the Singapore context is concerned, is always the resource part. The human capital management. I think the influx of the new entrants into the Singapore market give rise to competitions, not just in terms of people trying to take over your business, but very much on the competitor trying to take over your resource. When you lose a good resource, the key personnel? It’s equal to actually losing business.
So, it’s a real challenge for me to retain talent. It’s these talents, and the key personnel, that are the ones that bring us the profits, and brings us the growth. Skill will give us the cost leaderships, besides being the leader. So, what we look at, in order to overcome the challenges, are cultivating the right attitudes of our people, building good, extremely good relationships, and the Asia business depends not just on pricing itself, but on relationships. Long terms relationships, win-win partnerships, collaborations: that’s the way to grow.
“When you lose a good resource, the key personnel? It’s equal to actually losing business”
World Finance: And what are the challenges and opportunities in the rest of the region?
Chee Keng Koon: Asia has been an emerging market, and it was the same as many. So to me there are greenfields in Burma, which is greenfield. But Singapore, Hong Kong, Malaysia and Indonesia are the markets we’re likely to focus on.
World Finance: So what are QBE’s plans for the next few years?
Chee Keng Koon: Our vision is to be in the top three insurance companies in Singapore. And also the top insurance company in Asia. Our plans are to focus on organic growth in Asia, looking at these specialty lines, like the marine insurance, the constructions, the bigger regional spaces, but specifically on the casualty and property markets. And I think we have built the team now, we have built the right capabilities. The key is that we want to build long-term, rewarding relationships with our customers, to achieve our target plans. To deliver the results for our people, for our customers, for our shareholders.
World Finance: Chee Keng Koon, thank you.
Chee Keng Koon: Thank you.
Fernanda Lopes on Mozambique | Fernanda Lopes and Associados | Video
Mozambique is one of the world’s fastest growing economies, driven by a wealth of natural resources. Fernanda Lopes, Managing Partner of Fernanda Lopes and Associados, talks about the big changes in Mozambique’s legal landscape, the huge potential for investment in infrastructure, agriculture and and tourism, and the legal issues that companies should be aware of entering the country.
World Finance: How has Mozambique’s legal landscape changed over the past two decades?
Fernanda Lopes: It has changed a lot. If you look back at history, it needed, and it had to change. After more than 40 years of war, when finally peace came into the country, and finally it was decided that private investment would be the tool to develop the country. Since 1993 the country prepared for peace, and prepared for economic development.
Of course along that time, all the previous situation had changed completely, not only from an economic perspective, but also from a legal point of view.
“None of us want to go back to war, and the population will force government to comply with the law”
World Finance: So what is the potential for foreign investment in the country?
Fernanda Lopes: There’s an immense potential. If you recall, we came out of war. So, everything has to be rebuilt. If you look at construction, with the new natural resources discoveries, new infrastructure will have to be built. But nothing big has much more potential than that. We have a lot of water calling for dams, calling for energy. We have a very big and fertile territory, calling for agriculture. We have a sea – almost 4,000 km coast, calling for tourism.
World Finance: And what about the challenges?
Fernanda Lopes: Infrastructure was destroyed throughout the war. Now, if you look at the position of Mozambique, you can figure out how important infrastructure can be. All the inland countries depend for their imports and exports on Mozambique.
The second challenge is lack of qualification of the population.
“Foreign investors should be aware that formalities are essential. A case could be thrown out on the basis of lack of formality”
World Finance: The law in Mozambique is constantly evolving. How does this impact on investors?
Fernanda Lopes: I don’t see a concern on foreign investments with the changes of law, because whatever new law will only apply to the future, and if it touches previous investments, there will be a period of time – around six months – for the investor to adjust to the new law.
World Finance: What role will legal firms play in Mozambique’s development?
Fernanda Lopes: We know the local law, and we know what are the concerns of the investors. So, let’s say that we are a perfect vehicle to convey the concerns to government and parliament, either directly or through the organisations, in order for the law to change.
World Finance: You’re becoming increasingly involved in labour matters. What are the issues companies need to be aware of?
Fernanda Lopes: We have a codified legal system, full of formalities. So, I think that foreign investors should be aware that formalities are essential. A case could be thrown out on the basis of lack of formality. That is, the judge might consider that due to lack of formalities, there is an unfair dismissal, not even entering into the merits of the case.
“Infrastructure was destroyed throughout the war. There’s an immense potential for foreign investment”
World Finance: And finally, will the political environment of the country remain sufficiently stable to maintain economic stability and prosperity?
Fernanda Lopes: We’ve gone through a very long period of war, in colonial time, and after independence the internal war. So, none of us – meaning the population of Mozambique – want to go back to war. And besides that, if you look at our recent history, after peace arrived in Mozambique, our president stepped out voluntarily, Joaquim Chissano stepped out voluntarily. And this president will step out also voluntarily. So, in a way we want to comply with the law, and the population will force government to comply with the law. No doubt there will be peace, we don’t want war.
World Finance: Fernanda, thank you.
Fernanda Lopes: You’re welcome.
Scott St John on New Zealand equities | First NZ Capital | Video
Scott St John has already told us how the New Zealand equity markets were reinvigorated by the Capital Markets Taskforce, established in 2008. We talk to him again to get more detail on First NZ Capital’s view of the New Zealand equity market today, as well as its partnerships with Credit Suisse, and its exploration of the Australian equities space.
World Finance: You have quite a significant market share within New Zealand, so tell us about the mood within the New Zealand equity market?
Scott St John: The mood in New Zealand is good, and in saying that I infer no complacency. But New Zealand is somewhat out of sync with parts of the rest of the world. We don’t have government debt at a very very high level, we have an economy that is recovering, albeit gradually, but genuinely recovering, and has been for a little while now, and is forecast to continue to recover for a number of years.
So, we have a backdrop for corporates that is actually quite positive. And so what we are seeing is, our corporates are moving on to the front foot, to use an English vernacular. And they’re employing, they’re raising capital, and they’re expanding.
“In the New Zealand business we have been strategically aligned to Credit Suisse Australia for well over 20 years”
World Finance: You’re also expanding into Australia. Why Australia, how does that market compare?
Scott St John: The proximity of Australia to New Zealand is helpful. In our own business, be it our wholesale clients or our wealth clients, all of those portfolios have a large proportion of Australian stocks within them, and as a consequence we feel very very familiar with Australia.
Also we have our joint venture partners in Australia: Credit Suisse. In the New Zealand business we have been strategically aligned to Credit Suisse Australia for well over 20 years. And as a consequence of that, there are very very high levels of contact. We have been talking for some time with them about the evolution of their market, the evolution of how global investment banks are changing shape and changing their coverage models, and you know, everyone, I think, is familiar with elements of that. The higher compliance costs, the higher capital costs, and the counter-balancing contraction and headcount. And from our perspective, what we are seeing is opportunity around the periphery of those markets as coverage contracts. We see opportunity to enter that market and fill some of the voids that are being created. Where that might lead you is, what does your experience in New Zealand lend?
And if you break up the Australian market, perhaps you might look at the top 100 stocks over there and say, well look: those companies are possibly globally relevant, but the rest of the market is probably locally relevant. And if you line that locally relevant segment up against New Zealand, they look very very similar. You know, the very very large stocks in the ASX100, generally execution is increasingly via machines, whereas those smaller companies rely on the human hand to execute. That’s where we deploy a lot of effort in New Zealand, and we think we can lend that experience to Australia.
World Finance: You’ve already mentioned Credit Suisse, tell me how important this partnership is, and what do they actually bring to the table?
Scott St John: Effectively our business started doing cross-border transactions and formed a relationship with Credit Suisse, which has been enduring, and it endures essentially because of the trust that sits between the people within the organisation.
The last formal review of the relationship took place in 2002, where we documented a strategic alliance. Now, I don’t believe that strategic alliance document has seen the light of day since then, and that’s testimony to the relationship.
The global CEO of Credit Suisse, Brady Dougan, sat on our board in New Zealand a number of years ago, and relationships like that just foster a very very strong camaraderie between the groups. We are Credit Suisse’s franchise in New Zealand.
“If you line Australia’s locally relevant segment up against New Zealand, they look very very similar”
World Finance: What trends do you see affecting the capital markets in either jurisdiction?
Scott St John: A major trend is going to be influence by how the global banks define their coverage models. And, you know, all of them have reduce their headcount. It’s unambiguous. And that job may in fact not be complete. My sense is that what you will see emerging are very very strong regional franchises that are stepping into the breach of the opportunities that are perhaps not as efficiently covered by the global banks as they reshape. And we intend to be part of that.
World Finance: And finally, what’s next for First NZ Capital?
Scott St John: We’ve got our hands pretty full with Australia, probably for the next couple of years. All going well, if we do a great job there, then maybe other opportunities will follow.
World Finance: Scott, thank you.
Scott St John: Thank you.
Scott St John on New Zealand’s market reforms | First NZ Capital | Video
The New Zealand equity market went through a “near death experience” in the first half of the decade. So says Scott St John, MD and CEO of First NZ Capital. He explains this view, outlines the action taken by the Capital Markets Taskforce established by the Labour government, and describes the effect it has had on New Zealand’s economy.
World Finance: Scott – a near-death experience? Tell me more.
Scott St John: New Zealand did not have a savings regime. And the consequence of that is that there was no natural cash flows coming into the market, takeovers were relatively meekly met, and the size of the market contracted. And what went with that, was that the financial services sector also contracted.
So you had a situation in New Zealand where we were not doing a very efficient job of putting providers of capital together with users of capital.
“We had a regulator, obviously, but the new regulator was far better resourced, had far deeper reach into the market”
World Finance: What impact did this have on the New Zealand market, and how important are these markets to New Zealand?
Scott St John: The formation of capital and this concept of putting providers of capital and users of capital together is pivotally important to economic growth, and we understood that in New Zealand, but we did a poor job of the, I guess, the oversight of what was happening in that space.
Now, that did turn around, but it took us until about 2007 to do that.
World Finance: So a critical situation like this needs of course immediate action. Who acted, and how?
Scott St John: There were many players agitating in the background, but ultimately it was Lianne Dalziel who was the then Minister of Commerce in the Labour government who was one of the hands in establishing a savings regime called KiwiSaver, in New Zealand. Then, the second big initiative on her part was to establish a capital markets taskforce.
Now, the Capital Markets Taskforce was designed to create a plan for the go forward. I think you would also look at Mark Weldon, who was at the time the recent appointed new CEO of the New Zealand Exchange. Rob Cameron, who led the Capital Markets Taskforce, and did a stunning job. But also people like Adrian Orr, who ran the superfund. Simon Botherway and a couple of others.
“As an industry we started addressing what we termed a birthrate problem. How do we fund smaller, faster growth companies?”
World Finance: Often catalysts for change are multi-dimensional: what else changed?
Scott St John: We had the plan that came out of the Capital Markets Taskforce, and that had a list of circa 40 things that needed to be implemented within the market. But at the core were things like the establishment of a new regulatory body to cover the whole market. We had a regulator, obviously, in New Zealand, but the new regulator that we created was far better resourced, had far deeper reach into the market. Far greater oversight. That delivers confidence to retail investors, and investors generally. We established a clearing house at the NZX. The government initiated its mixed ownership model, which is the privatisation of a number of state-owned electricity generators.
As an industry we started addressing what we termed a birthrate problem. How do we fund smaller, faster growth companies? Now, we don’t have the silver bullet for that yet, but we are actually getting traction, and we are IPOing some of these companies, which is particularly pleasing.
But, all in all, this is essentially a rebuild of the foundation stones of the market. The benefits that we are seeing today are a consequence of that rebuild.
World Finance: And what does this mean for investors?
Scott St John: The key platform has been this client-first mantra that has been promoted by the new regulator. It’s not that it wasn’t there at the core of the market – and particularly with the regulated space in the market, the NZX firms – but around the periphery of the market, which was more loosely regulated previously. There were issues.
So investors, having a sense that they are operating with a level playing field, has been very very important.
World Finance: So what are the current tax implications in New Zealand?
Scott St John: If you’re an offshore investor, and you look at some of the key platforms of government policy, they are relatively investor-friendly. The strong property rights, you’ve got a fiscally responsible government, they’re taking government spending down, they’re taking debt down, and we have low corporate tax. That is a very, very good platform on which to invest.
“Over the last few years… you have a market that looks wildly different”
World Finance: Although New Zealand’s economy is stronger now, it’s still rather small. What would you say to larger funds?
Scott St John: At the core is, can they get set? Is there sufficient liquidity in the market? Now, you can sort of step back from that for a moment and say, you know, do you have strong property rights? Do you have a government that is fiscally responsible? Those sorts of things are absolutely in place. Do you have an economy that’s growing? Absolutely. So you’ve got some nice things by way of backdrop.
But in terms of invest-ability, you know, how do you answer that question? Unambiguously, the breadth and depth of the market has been enhanced over the last half a dozen years. There are a lot more companies in the $2bn+ space, which, you know, one might call the border between small-cap and mid-cap. And in particular, a lot of those companies had large blocks of their stock tied up in single owners.
Over the last few years, that has been broken down by way of secondary placements, so, companies like Sky Television, which had a very low free float, now has an entire free float. Then you add, you know, the likes of Fonterra, the dairy cooperative, Synlait milk, an extremely exciting milk processing company. The government’s initiatives around the mixed ownership model, the privatisation of the electricity companies, and the privatisation of Shell’s New Zealand assets in the form of Z Energy, you have a market that looks wildly different.
World Finance: Scott, thank you.
Scott St John: Thank you.
Patricia Echauz-Chilip and John Echauz on Philippines Insurance | Standard Insurance | Video
Standard Insurance Company’s successful 2012 was rewarded in December with an upgrade in its investment rating. Patricia Echauz-Chilip and John Echauz – respectively President, and Director and Executive VP – of Standard Insurance, discuss the company’s success, its approach to catastrophe risk management, and the way it’s working with its customers and the community at large to become the Philippines’ most trusted insurance company.
World Finance: So what were the key contributors to this success?
Patricia Echauz-Chilip: We really believe that we’re here to uplift the lives of people. That means our employees, our customers, and you know, all our stakeholders. Everything we do revolves around that philosophy. For instance, in our country, the Philippines, which is an archipelago of 7,100 islands, we’ve built branches across those islands, and that’s translated into the largest market reach, as well as a very localised service.
John Echauz: We are the largest retail insurer back home, and we insure more motor cars than anybody else. You can have an accident in this part of the city, in this part of the country, and within 24 hours we can get the repairs commenced. Everyone taking the time to make things go faster. Customer experience is very very important to us. And secondly, we are the country’s largest buyer of spare parts. That gives us some scale, and we share the savings with the customers.
Even little things like, we built an app? You take a picture of a damaged vehicle, and it’ll tell you exactly how much it’ll cost to repair. Little things like that, that make life better for our customers.
Patricia Echauz-Chilip: We employ about 800 people nationwide, and they’re really trained in being there for you when you need them the most. So when you suffer a fire loss, or a flood loss, you want somebody sympathetic and who’s on your side. And I think that’s translated for us, in terms of being there for our customer, throughout 55 years.
“It’s called the Floody Car Bag. So when there’s a flood, you just drive your car inside, you seal it, it stays dry”
World Finance: So John, the Philippines is particularly vulnerable to typhoons and flooding, so how do you manage this risk?
John Echauz: Even before climate change, we have always been prone to typhoons, because of our proximity to the Pacific Ocean. Every year we get 26 typhoons coming in. Recently over the last five years it’s been worse, because of climate change. Weather patterns are disruptive, unpredictable, very intense. You know really, what a place to run an insurance company!
But having said that, we protect our portfolio two ways. One is, we have our own catastrophe risk monitoring system. Basically we can take any property, and say, Okay, this property here, it’s vulnerable to typhoons, floods, volcanoes, volcanic eruptions, earthquakes. What can we do to mitigate our risk, and help our customer? For motorcar we of course do underwriting, but we also help each driver improve their driving style. We can track their bad habits and correct them.
And then lastly, in 2009 we had massive flooding. We eventually built our own giant ziplock bag for our cars, it’s called the Floody Car Bag. So when there’s a flood, you just drive your car inside, you seal it, it stays dry. It floats actually, at two feet. And that’s been very helpful for us as well. So these are the things we do to mitigate climate change.
World Finance: Patricia, very few people in the Philippines have insurance, despite the region’s vulnerability, so how is Standard Insurance approaching this?
Patricia Echauz-Chilip: You know, insurance penetration in our country is really very low, and we do our best to educate the market about the need for it. But the first asset they’ll usually have will be a mobile phone, and we insure that. And then they’ll move on to buy a motorcycle, and then maybe a motorcar, and then a home. And we try to be with them every step of the way. And as they see the need for insurance for their mobile, they’ll just sort of, ramp up from there.
“We believe in Philippine talent, and we’ll do our share to move the country forward”
World Finance: One of your aspirations is to become the most trusted insurance company, so how do you plan to achieve this?
Patricia Echauz-Chilip: You know our value system at Standard Insurance revolves around hard work, integrity, and professional diligence. Because of that, we do our best to know our business. And we hope that our knowledge and experience translates to a better customer experience. We have branch managers who’ve been around for a very long time, and with 55 years of insurance experience, and, you know, being there locally, that’s translated to, for us, really being part of the fabric of the community. And I think people know we’ll be there for a long time.
World Finance: John, Standard Insurance is also focused on corporate social responsibility, how do you give back to the community?
John Echauz: Well firstly we focus on staying strong as an institution. We employ 800 people, and each of our employees supports directly or indirectly about 20 people. That’s a multiplier effect in a developing nation such as ours. But secondarily we try to develop Philippine talent. We support the Philippine sailing team, and the national cycling team, in their bids for gold at the Southeast Asian Games, as well as the Olympics, that’s number one. Number two, we support two leading violinists, since they were very young. We brought them through school, and now they’re two of the country’s best violinists. We support schools in the middle of nowhere, in the middle of an island chain, mainly because they’re just so poor and have no access to anything. And we support quite a number of elementary and high school kids, just through their education. We believe in Philippine talent, and we’ll do our share to move the country forward.
“When you suffer a fire loss, or a flood loss, you want somebody sympathetic and who’s on your side”
World Finance: And finally Patricia, what does the future hold for the Philippines insurance sector, and Standard Insurance?
Patricia Echauz-Chilip: You know Nick, our country has seen great economic growth. This year we’re growing, our GDP’s growing by seven percent. While the local insurance industry is consolidating, because of higher capitalisation requirements, you know due to the ASEAN free trade agreement coming in 2016, we think it’s healthy for the insurance sector.
For us, motorcar sales in our country has grown 21 percent this year, and we’re just going to grow organically with that. With a rising middle class, and better economic prospects, I think the future for Standard Insurance, and our country, is bright.
World Finance: Patricia, John, thank you.
Patricia Echauz-Chilip: Thank you so much Nick for having us.
Moo Sun on banking in Myanmar | Ayeyarwady Bank
Myanmar is back on the world stage after years of isolation. In April, the EU lifted the last of its sanctions against the country, and its banking sector is going through rapid changes to catch up with the outside world. Moo Sun, Chief Operating Officer of Ayeyarwady Bank, talks about the reforms and challenges the Myanmar banking sector has experienced this year, Ayeyarwady Bank’s position in the country, and his predictions for the financial industries in the next few years.
World Finance: First, give us an overview of the banking sector in Myanmar, in the period of isolation that you’ve been through?
Moo Sun: At the top would be the central bank of Myanmar. It used to be that the Central Bank was in the department of the Ministry of Finance, but now they have their independence. Below that would be the four state-owned banks, and there are now 21 private banks.
For some 50 years they have been in isolation. The banking then, in fact still very much now, is very cash-based. Very little financial intermediation between depositors and borrowers, for the fact that there’s very little accessibility of service.
“The opportunities are there. With a population of 60 million, a very young and educated workforce”
World Finance: There’s been a period of change in the last few years, and it’s true to say that you’re getting a lot of interest from international investors now?
Moo Sun: Since 2011, there have been a lot of changes, politically and economically. The banking sector itself, we have seen a lot of changes as well. Some of the key reforms would be the unification of the exchange rate. That was an important part of the reforms. With the new foreign investment law there’s now a lot more interest in the country.
The opportunities are there. With a population of 60 million, a very young and educated workforce. And because Myanmar sits in a very strategic geographical location, with abundant resources, there are plenty of opportunities.
World Finance: Tell us about Ayeyarwady Bank; who are your clients, and what services do you provide?
Moo Sun: We started operations in August 2010, so we are a relatively young bank. Just over three years old. Today we have 45 branches, our customer base is about 150,000, and in terms of financials we are over $500m in assets.
Our deposit customers are mostly retail customers, with some 80 percent of our deposits being individuals. On the loans we have a lot more businesses.
In terms of the products and services, for domestic customers we provide all sorts of services from deposits and loans to making remittances, safe deposit boxes, the whole lot, you know, as far as the domestic business is concerned.
In terms of international business, we provide foreign exchange, foreign currency accounts, overseas remittances and letters of credit. That pretty much covers the basic international services that we have.
“One of our key plans is to make our services accessible to the population”
World Finance: And what’s Ayeyarwady Bank’s strategy going forward?
Moo Sun: I think one of the key things would be to make our services accessible to the population. So, one of the key strategic action plans that we have is to grow our branch network. Today we have 45 branches, we hope to have 100 branches within the next two years. We’re aggressively trying to expand on our card services, and we hope to be able to offer debit cards and credit cards. So that is on the domestic side.
On the international side, we feel that now we can be a leader in this market. Because it’s a very new business for private banks. On the corporate side, I think it’s important that we actually include all stakeholders, so in areas of governance particularly. I think this is one area that we need to enhance. So, going forward those are three core areas that we’re looking at.
World Finance: Finally, give us your future outlook for the banking sector in Myanmar over the next five to 10 years.
Moo Sun: Just looking at the figures, comparing 2007 and 2012, the deposit portfolio has grown some eight times. Now, that gives an indication of the trust, you know, in the banking sector domestically. Now, with the foreign investors coming in, once the government’s stabilised, we expect growth to be even more tremendous.
One of the areas that would benefit most would be the banking sector. So for banks with the right strategy, I think they will be able to capture quite a lot of those businesses. So we are very optimistic about the potential for the banking industry.
World Finance: Mr Moo Sun, thank you.
Moo Sun: Thank you for having me.